3x07 vs 9x19 for deandarling
There comes a point where it’s not paralleling so much as just recycling and ripping off a better version of the show in the hopes that fans will just jump up and down and clap like monkeys because they recognize something. And Sam’s killing of Gordon already mirrored Dean’s earlier cold-blooded killing of another vamp, so that scene was about Sam’s character development…back when such a thing still existed. This isn’t development for Dean who was always a killer.
Exactly! I was going to say that the scene in 9.19 reminded me of the sawmill killing in “Bloodlust.” Damn, Dean did enjoy that too. Dean is just becoming the monster that he would have if he’d listened to Gordon instead of Sam about Lenore.
Asked by Anonymous
I DON’T KNOW DID I MISS THIS SOMEHOW????
I’m sorry but the part I can’t get is, let’s say Dean did said “wouldn’t” and how does that make him a “bigger dick”?????
Because Sam didn’t say “I wouldn’t save you.” or “I wouldn’t try to save you from vampires.” or “I wouldn’t die for you.”. Sam said (and this the actual quote): “Same circumstances. I wouldn’t.” The bolded part is the important part and the part that Dean fans and Dean himself seem to ignore. Same circumstances means that if Dean were to die and the only way to save him was to let an angel/demon/monster/whatever possess him, he wouldn’t do that WITHOUT DEAN’S CONSENT. Sam wouldn’t make decisions for Dean’s body. Sam would ask Dean if he wanted something alien to possess him and to have control over his body because Sam knows how horrible it is to not have control over his own body.
Here, I even made a gifset to show people who seem to ignore the ‘same circumstance’ part what Sam meant with that. (rape cw, non-con cw, body horror cw, hallucinations cw)
The only reason Dean said that line was to provoke or to hurt Sam and it was a petty and dick-ish thing to say in that moment (Sam was physically hurt and Dean thinks it’s a great idea to say something petty lol). And he didn’t even quote Sam right (just like the majority of Dean fans).
i totally forgot it was sam’s birthday on the 2nd of may.
our sweet child is turning 30.
so this is as much a reminder to me as to others ;u; and maybe we could make things and draw things and write things for his birthday.
if you’re planning on making something, maybe tag it #HBDSAMMY so we can all enjoy the fantastic gifts he gets n stuff. signal boost this so we can have a giant party i’ll bring the beer.
*Sigh* People taking the conversation about a “bratty little sister” and twisting it into something I find frankly horrifying.
Look, first thing first: the phrase “It’s just an act” appears in there. She’s just pretending. She really loves them. That is such an abuser justification. She’s just bratty. Just whiny. Just a teenager. She really loves them. After all, they’re family. She’ll always choose family.
It’s creepy as hell. You’re supposed to find it creepy as hell.
And yes, Alex is a comparison towards Sam. Of course she is. But you’re not supposed to interpret this scene as “Sam will eventually learn that he’ll do anything for family, because when the chips are down, he’ll always choose him, his whining is an act, he’ll forgive Dean and save Dean and let the situation continue as Dean wants it to.”
Maybe you missed Alex killing her “mother” and symbolically killing her connection to that family. Of course, she still feels something, but she killed her “mother” and she escaped.
No, I don’t think Sam is going to kill his family and separate totally. But the Alex parallel is supposed to show that one can and should leave these situations that are terrible for oneself.
Sam left such a situation when he went to Stanford, got dragged back into a mildly less horrible situation that has escalated to be arguably worse than ever. He’s not whining. He’s not being bratty. He’s not playacting. And he’d never of his own free will choose this oppressive, controlling, dominating, unhealthy “family” style that Dean and John like so much.
The brother is Dean. He’s insisting Alex/Sam’s feelings are just some meaningless, stupid rebellion, that they can always be brought to heel, and it’s creepy as all fucking hell, and you shouldn’t think of it as a good thing.
If the parallel is followed, Sam will “escape” the oppressive family structure, hopefully (for the show’s sake) not by actually leaving/killing his family but by Dean changing and their family structure becoming a non-abusive, healthy thing for Sam to live in. He’s not supposed to “fall in line” and you’re not supposed to want him to, and that line is definitely not supposed to make you want him to.
- Sam would save Dean if Dean WANTED to live.
- Sam wouldn’t save Dean if Dean WANTED to die.
- Sam would respect Dean’s wishes first and foremost, always.
- And that’s love.
I interpreted this scene not as Sam saying ‘If you want to/were going to die, I would let you’. Rather, I interpreted his words as meaning ‘I would save you, just not the way you saved me’. Because Sam knew that the way Dean saved him was fucked up, rude, and completely unacceptable. I think he’d still save his brother, even if Dean wanted to die. I just think that he wouldn’t give an angel permission to hop his brother’s meat suit. Sam would find another way.